Transgender ideology - Historique des versions

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	The images above are from discussions in July 2021 that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.<ref name=wispa-4w/><ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-nypost/> ~~Despite journalist [[Anna Slatz]] interviewing the woman who first raised the complaint and getting a detailed account of what happened~~, trans activist groups cast widespread doubt on the event and managed to get mainstream and local media publications to report that the incident "might have been staged."<ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-advocate/><ref name=wispa-lablade/>		The images above are from discussions in July 2021 that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.<ref name=wispa-4w/><ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-nypost/> Without any actual evidence, trans activist groups cast widespread doubt on the event and managed to get mainstream and local media publications to report that the incident "might have been staged."<ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-advocate/><ref name=wispa-lablade/> It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.

	~~It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that~~ the incident ~~must have been staged~~, ~~others chose~~ to ~~openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above)~~, ~~hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged~~.		After the incident, another woman came forth about the same thing having happened to her in Wi Spa in 2018, and agreed to a detailed interview with journalist [[Anna Slatz]] about her experience.<ref name=wispa-4w/>

	Some trans activists reacting to ~~the Wi Spa incident~~ went as far as saying that women were at fault for looking at the male person, that they are the real sexual aggressors for eyeing the male person in the female-only section, or making jokes about how the women must have been aroused by the man.		Some trans activists reacting to these stories went as far as saying that women were at fault for looking at the male person, that they are the real sexual aggressors for eyeing the male person in the female-only section, or making jokes about how the women must have been aroused by the man.

	<gallery caption="Trans activists going all out with their victim-blaming" widths=300px heights=300px>		<gallery caption="Trans activists going all out with their victim-blaming" widths=300px heights=300px>
	File:Sesmith-wispa.png \| A person who writes for The Guardian and has a verified Twitter account says women are at fault for looking at the nude male in the women's section ~~at Wi Spa~~		File:Sesmith-wispa.png \| A person who writes for The Guardian and has a verified Twitter account says women are at fault for looking at the nude male in the women's section
	File:Zinniajones-wispa.png \| Zinnia Jones mocks a woman who came forth ~~with a story of the same thing happening to~~ her in ~~Wi Spa a year prior~~		File:Zinniajones-wispa.png \| Zinnia Jones mocks the second woman who came forth about her experience in 2018
	File:~~Troll~~-wispa.png \| A ~~random~~ troll ~~joining in on the fun of mocking~~ women~~, implying that they~~ are the real aggressors		File:Nate-wispa.png \| A verified account backs the logic put forth by a troll who implies that women are the real aggressors
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	It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.		It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.

			Some trans activists reacting to the Wi Spa incident went as far as saying that women were at fault for looking at the male person, that they are the real sexual aggressors for eyeing the male person in the female-only section, or making jokes about how the women must have been aroused by the man.

			<gallery caption="Trans activists going all out with their victim-blaming" widths=300px heights=300px>
			File:Sesmith-wispa.png \| A person who writes for The Guardian and has a verified Twitter account says women are at fault for looking at the nude male in the women's section at Wi Spa
			File:Zinniajones-wispa.png \| Zinnia Jones mocks a woman who came forth with a story of the same thing happening to her in Wi Spa a year prior
			File:Troll-wispa.png \| A random troll joining in on the fun of mocking women, implying that they are the real aggressors
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	==== Males in women's sports ====		==== Males in women's sports ====

Technician le 15 juillet 2021 à 19:27

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	It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.		It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.

			==== Males in women's sports ====

			''Main article: [[Transwomen in women's sports]]''

			Another logical conclusion of "trans women are women" is that males who identify as women get to play in women's sports. This idea is indeed widely supported by trans activists, and has been applied in many sports events, leading to male athletes at times massively overpowering female competitors and taking the first spot / gold medal. See the above linked page for details on this topic.

	=== Gender identity ===		=== Gender identity ===

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	The images above are from discussions that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.<ref name=wispa-4w/><ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-nypost/>		The images above are from discussions in July 2021 that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.<ref name=wispa-4w/><ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-nypost/> Despite journalist [[Anna Slatz]] interviewing the woman who first raised the complaint and getting a detailed account of what happened, trans activist groups cast widespread doubt on the event and managed to get mainstream and local media publications to report that the incident "might have been staged."<ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-advocate/><ref name=wispa-lablade/>

			It's noteworthy that while some trans activists went the route of claiming that the incident must have been staged, others chose to openly defend the principle of an intact male using female-only spaces (see images above), hence rendering moot the question of whether the incident was or wasn't staged.

	=== Gender identity ===		=== Gender identity ===
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	{{cite web		{{cite web
	\|url=https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/furor-over-trans-in-la-spa-proves-progressives-arent-really-feminists-after-all/		\|url=https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/furor-over-trans-in-la-spa-proves-progressives-arent-really-feminists-after-all/
	\|title= Furor over trans in LA spa proves progressives aren’t really feminists after all		\|title=Furor over trans in LA spa proves progressives aren’t really feminists after all
	\|author=Bethany Mandel		\|author=Bethany Mandel
	\|date=July 6, 2021		\|date=July 6, 2021
	\|publisher=New York Post		\|publisher=New York Post
			}}
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			<ref name=wispa-advocate>
			{{cite web
			\|url=https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2021/7/09/was-trans-nudity-incident-los-angeles-spa-staged
			\|title=Was Trans Nudity Incident at Los Angeles Spa Staged?
			\|author=Trudy Ring
			\|date=July 9, 2021
			\|publisher=The Advocate
			}}
			</ref>

			<ref name=wispa-lablade>
			{{cite web
			\|url=https://nypost.com/2021/07/06/furor-over-trans-in-la-spa-proves-progressives-arent-really-feminists-after-all/
			\|title=Alleged Trans incident at upscale LA Spa may have been staged
			\|date=July 7, 2021
			\|publisher=Los Angeles Blade
	}}		}}
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+The images above are from discussions that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.<ref name=wispa-4w/><ref name=wispa-wapo/><ref name=wispa-nypost/>
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	=== Trans women are women ===		=== Trans women are women ===

	One of the core dogmata of the transgender movement is the statement that '''trans women are women''' (and the less often repeated ''trans men are men'').<ref name=fc-hendley/> Under this view it's important to write ''trans woman'' as two words (adjective and noun) and not ''transwoman'', to stress the fact that "trans women" are literally a subtype of women, just like white women, black women, short women, tall women, and so on. The statement "trans women are women" is not meant as a vague slogan of moral support, but in a literal sense.<ref name=nytimes/><ref name=stonewall/>		One of the core dogmata of the transgender movement is the statement that '''trans women are women''' (and the less often repeated ''trans men are men'').<ref name=fc-hendley/> Under this view, it's important to write ''trans woman'' as two words (adjective and noun) and not ''transwoman'', to stress the fact that "trans women" are literally a subtype of women, just like white women, black women, short women, tall women, and so on. The statement "trans women are women" is not meant as a vague slogan of moral support, but in a literal sense.<ref name=nytimes/><ref name=stonewall/>

	This statement contradicts the definition of the word "woman" as seen in some dictionaries (i.e. adult human [[sex\|female]]). Many trans activists believe that a definition based on self-identification would be better. This includes the circular definition, "anyone who identifies as a woman, is a woman." As such, the statement "trans women are women" is probably best described as a dogmatic position.		This statement contradicts the definition of the word "woman" as seen in some dictionaries (i.e. adult human [[sex\|female]]). Many trans activists believe that a definition based on self-identification would be better. This includes the circular definition, "anyone who identifies as a woman, is a woman." As such, the statement "trans women are women" is probably best described as a dogmatic position.

			As the notion that "trans women are women" is meant literally, many problematic conclusions follow, especially considering that any intact male person can simply self-identify as a "trans woman" without needing to undergo any sort of medical transition.

			==== Intact males in women's spaces ====

			If male people who identify as women are literally women, it would follow that they should be allowed to use the same locker rooms, communal showers, and other such sex-segregated public facilities for women. [[Helen Staniland]] summarizes this issue by posing the rhetorical question, "should male born people with a penis be free to enter and undress in communal changing rooms where women and girls are undressing?" The question has been dubbed the Staniland Question. Most trans activists refuse to provide a straight answer, as saying no would mean that they don't agree that self-identified "trans women" should be allowed in women's locker rooms, whereas saying yes reveals the very problem being demonstrated.

			<gallery caption="Some trans activist men struggling with the Staniland Question" widths=300px heights=300px>
			File:Nate-answering-staniland.png \| Nate avoids giving a straight answer
			File:Michael-answering-staniland.png \| Michael says it's been happening for decades
			File:Devon-answering-staniland.png \| Devon, finally, gives a straight answer
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			The images above are from discussions that sparked after an incident in Wi Spa, L.A., in which a woman complained about a male person with a penis wandering around naked in the women's section of the nude spa.

	=== Gender identity ===		=== Gender identity ===

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	=== Cisgender people oppress transgender people ===		=== Cisgender people oppress transgender people ===

	Another core tenet of transgender ideology is the notion that many [[cisgender]] people oppress transgender people, just like how men oppress women, white Americans oppress black Americans, or how straight people oppress gay men and lesbian women.<ref name=cissexism/><ref name=transmisogyny/> Trans activists often cite high rates of homelessness, trans minors being disowned by their parents, and suicide rates correlating to societal treatment in their claims of trans people being oppressed.<ref name=homeless><ref name=youth-accepted-by-families/>		Another core tenet of transgender ideology is the notion that many [[cisgender]] people oppress transgender people, just like how men oppress women, white Americans oppress black Americans, or how straight people oppress gay men and lesbian women.<ref name=cissexism/><ref name=transmisogyny/> Trans activists often cite high rates of homelessness, trans minors being disowned by their parents, and suicide rates correlating to societal treatment in their claims of trans people being oppressed.<ref name=homeless/><ref name=youth-accepted-by-families/>

	=== Supporting "sex work" activism ===		=== Supporting "sex work" activism ===
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	~~<ref name=fc-hendley>~~
	~~{{cite web~~
	~~\|url=https://www.feministcurrent.com/2019/04/10/i-supported-trans-ideology-until-i-couldnt-anymore/~~
	~~\|title=I supported trans ideology until I couldn’t anymore~~
	~~\|author=Alicia Hendley~~
	~~\|date=April 10, 2019~~
	~~\|website=Feminist Current~~
	}}
	~~</ref>~~

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Transgender ideology - Historique des versions

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Technician : /* Trans women are women */

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